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Please remember!  These are archives!  The Dice Setter message board was shut down. What is published here are just a few of the threads documenting the early days of dice setting strategies and opinions written by the pioneers of dice influencing.

Different Dice...Different Throw?

 Boxcars1212

I was getting pretty cocky as my SRR was up to 11 and then I got my new razor edge dice from the Gambler's Store. These dice were so sharp they stopped on a dime and bolted all over the table. It definitely changed my SRR for the worse and to tell the truth I realized that the Mad Professor is right. You do need more than one throw depending on conditions. I did better by reducing the amount of backspin I was using but I definitely was averaging a lower amount of numbers between 7's. Anything else I can do to alleviate new sharp dice at the table?

Heavy

It's not just the difference in used and new dice- dice also differ between colors - and manufacturers. I've got a pair of amber dice right now that I'd almost swear have nothing but fives and twos on them.

You can try less back spin - more of a knuckleball type toss - with a bit more elevation. Landing closer to the wall might help as well.

I think I mentioned this the other day on another thread - or perhaps on another site - but I've done one of those things that makes you go "hmmmmm" and wonder why you hadn't thought of it sooner. I took a ruler and blackboard chalk and drew a grid on my layout - starting 2 inches from the back wall - with lines at 6 and 10 inches - then drawing intersecting lines every four inches. I ended up with a bunch of 4 inch squares. So now I toss to specific squares on the grid and record the results. Surprise - when I'm consistent in hitting the same spot over and over - I'm consistent in my results. I've found, for example, a spot on the table where the dice will turn up a seven almost every time using the crossed sixes. And a spot right next to it that will turn up an eight almost every time. It's almost like numbers on the keyboard of a calculator.

Now if I could just talk the boys at the casino into letting me draw on their layout . . .

irishsetter

Boxcars,

If I had my way, I'd have the casinos break out a set of brand new dice every time I get to the tables. I LOVE new dice. Too much backspin is particularly a problem with new dice.

You should practice with a variety of different dice...both age and color. If you play in Vegas, the high end places will indeed be pretty good about having fresh dice, but if you play in some of the low end joints downtown, you may have to shoot with dice like these from the el cortez:

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KIDDING! I'm just kidding....I LOVE the El Cortez!

Tinhorn Gambler

Irishsetter,


I was planning a trip to the El Cortez tomorrow. I'll let you know if the same dice are still on the table. Your picture of the dice look better then the ones I shot the last time I was there.

Boxcars1212

Irish,

Those look just like the dice I was using before my new razor sharp dice arrived from Gambler's Store. No wonder my SRR was getting near 12. I'd keep those they may have value as an antique someday.

Dylanfreak

Box--I am like Irish, I love the new dice when they are put in play at the table----To me those razor edges have a good feel and I seem to be able to grip them better and it sure does seems to be that you can make those new ones stick better on the felt when you toss them

Tinhorn Gambler

Irishsetter kiddingly showed a picture of dice and mentioned that they were from the El Cortez in Las Vegas.


Well, the El Cortez only change the dice twice daily, 10 am and 10 pm. Casino's usually change dice at shift changes. So if you are getting better results from shooting worn or new dice keep that in mind. Check your casino's.  By the way, the tables at the El Cortez look like they were recently re-covered with heavy padding, making it extremely bouncy. The under padding was so heavy that the table top had uneven levels close to the base of the rubber pyraminds.

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