Suspicious of Altered
I worked in a Casino for a short period
of time(6 months) and had the responsibility to get rid of old dice.
I have seen some that were NOT even square in shape.
Yes I have wondered. On one particular
trip it seemed like every seven I rolled was a 6/1. Not sure how
they could load them but I sure wondered.
I don't ever believe in fair casino
dice. They have to make their profit and it will always come at our
expense. They stop your long rolls with all sorts of tactics and
they force you to hit the pyramids so that randomization can always
ED, I play Craps about 40 + weekends out
of the year. BIAS dice are everywhere. We are finding them on the
higher $$$$$$$ tables and reserved more often, easy picking. BIAS
dice do not throw 7"s every time but cuts the % of long rolls down.
Were we have been playing the most, we have found the good Dice on
the $5 tables and the BIAS on $10 & $25 table were the bigger $$
are. It is hard to get on this $5 table it is always crowded and the
people are almost always cheering and having a good time. There is
never any big winners because most of the do not know how to bet or
are just having a good time. About a month ago me and two friends
got on this table and we all had very good rolls and very good $$$$.
Guess what happen after it went around the table one time with all
of us making good $$$$$$$, a new set of dice comes in 3 hour before
they were to change them, Out of six table we were the only table
that got new dice. Now guess what happens, after the new dice came
in they went around the table one time, no one could make a point,
they were trying to get that money back but we figured that is what
was going to happen so we scaled down to very low bets. After one
time around the table we cashed in big $$$$$ and left. You could set
the dice with one with a 4 on top and the other with a 6 on top and
slide them together and you can fell a ridge. Also I have been
tracking every table I play at for about 10 years now and the
seven's have got out of balance, what I am trying to say is there
will be more 6-1 on a table or more 5-2 every seldom do you see
more 3-4's on a table. We have found set that help us with these bad
dice when we shot to help some. They guys at JPE have put in a lot
of research on this problem and have a lot more info on it. I know
other sites says it not true, but you know they write in some big
Well for one thing we would have no way
to know. I play 2 times a week and have some good rolls, but not
consistently. and I practice throwing daily, what I can say is that
having played the game for 30 years. I have far fewer really good
nights than I used to and that is with anyone throwing not just me,
so there does appear to be a difference I just don't know what it
At Resorts in Tunica, I did well in the
afternoon with the red dice. Later in the evening, the dice were
changed. The new dice were blue, and none of my precision type
tosses worked as they had in the afternoon. Since the only change
was the color of the dice, I would suspect altered dice.
Great Topic ! I would be surprised to
find an experienced craps player who HASN'T had doubts about dice
integrity. I'm limited to one Indian casino 45 mins from home in
Northern NY. Not just one casino, BUT JUST ONE CRAPS TABLE ! For
more variety, it's a 3 hour drive ! So I have a kind of intimacy
with this table. A year ago, as I was waiting in the cashier's line,
another craps player was also cashing out. He told me he lived a
mile away, and stopped to play craps several times a week; said THAT
table was the coldest thing he's ever played on; that it was only
his betting discipline that kept him in the game week in and week
out. We also both agreed that the dice could have something to do
with the perception that too many inopportune seven's seemed to be
the only consistency to this table. Just not a proper number of
shooters getting the 7-10 rolls category. But that lead me to think
that playing the dark side should be successful more often than
not. Still working on that.
I have often wondered about altered dice
when at Foxwoods Casino. It seems when I go there, the hours of
practice I undertake getting the sets that work right for me just
don't seem to work there. It is frustrating and annoying that all
my hours and hours of practice just go right down the toilet - along
with my money.
Some time I believe that the dice are
altered seeing long periods of point 7 rolls
I gamble quite a bit: probably 2 times a
week and sometime 3 times. I spend most of my time playing craps at
3 different places in the State of Washington. At times the way the
dice turn, you become suspicious. The last turn should stop but it
makes one turn and it is a 7. Some nights, all night the dice will
be in favor of the casino with the weird rolls, defying the odds. I
am not saying that this happens all the time, but when it does, you
start wondering. Is it cheating, I hope not!
yes--too many sevens
YES! I go to the Clear Creek Casino in
Poulsbo WA. were almost every time the stick man will show the dice
to the pit boss and turn the dice to SEVEN then turn them back to
whatever the thrower had. then the shooter throws a seven and the
table is cleared....this is only done on a hot steak and the table
is starting to fill up with new money and there is lots of
Many times. But who doesn't feel that
way? The times I feel it the most are when one die just happens to
turn at the last moment making a 7 out. I need help with my rolling.
I have had tremendous success followed by similar failures.
I most certainly do think some casinos
at some point use loaded or altered dice or tables. Because the odds
of sevening out so many times after a point is made is improbable
yet it happens at some tables. Only the casinos can inspect the
dice and suspect us of cheating when no one can check their dice.
The gambling commission should use undercover agents to inspect the
At times I think there is something
wrong with the dice. The last time I played, it seemed like 95% of
the players couldn't get past 3 or 4 rolls when the 7 came up. The
other 5% made at least one point after come out and that was it. I
don't have the nerve to ask the dealers if the dice are loaded. I'm
don't know if the commissioners (state) check the dice or the mfg
co. I would like to know the answer to this. The casino doesn't have
to cheat anyone because they have all the odds in their favor. This
is what I was told about the dice, they are used once every shift
I played several times at El Cortez in
down town Las Vegas and did notice that there were an unusually high
occurrence of 6-1 7s. The majority of the 7s that did roll were of
the 6-1 combo. This occurred mainly on Fridays thru Sundays. This
casino uses dice with the 6-1 shave.
I played three times last year and lost
terribly in Vegas and Atlantic City. I was playing conservatively
both times just never saw any one get a good roll. I was in Vegas
for 4 days (TI, Caesars, Venetian) and Atlantic City (Showboat,
Trumps) just for one. Both times I felt that something was wrong but
couldn't put my finger on it.
I went to Charleston, WV and had a more normal experience. Going
back to Vegas in March so I will see how it goes this time.
There have been times when I questioned
the dice. Not often, but I've played long enough to know when
something don't smell right!
I am not a crap shooter. However, I have
a devout shooter and tracker who insists the "Bud Jones" dice are
1/6 dice. The gaming commission in NV. has been contacted about this
and a possible lawsuit may be pending.
In the past year my husband and I
noticed we consistently lose our casino sessions. I keep record of
the outcome of each session. We never left casinos with our money
for over sixteen months. We play only at $5.00 table with $500 buy
in. Single unit on line with single odds. Two come bets with
single odds. One of us will play line and 6 & 8. So we use very
conservative betting strategy but during two to three hours session,
it gradually sucks our chips away and it doesn't pay off any more!
We used to win $300 to $500 a night 10 to 15 years ago, not
anymore. They changed the table top as well. I noticed the most
sevens are " 1 & 6 " not 2&5 or 3&4. They favors 1 and 6. It also
happens here in Canada as well. We've been playing here for the
past eight years or so, going up and down but always ahead of the
game. But, it has changed about a year ago. We stop winning
period. We were in Vegas in November during the Thanksgiving Day
week. We were never able to dig ourselves out of the hole. We are
positive their dice are biased and we didn't have a chance, even
the dark side players loses on come out rolls. We've lost our
passion with craps game. I don't think we will ever go back to
Vegas again. It really is a shame because we love craps
passionately. Until I find a method to beat their dice, you won't
see us in casinos anymore.
You can buy a loaded dices on Internet
why casinos wouldn't use that advantage? Greed is the leading factor
in casinos management. Most of the time after casino lose some money
on crap table next day are different dices on table and there is a
guarantee that tables will be choppy. Even if you are an excellent
controlled shooter the dices turn against you. They now put magnets
in balls and electric induction in the metal pockets on roulette
wheels and the guy with the eye push a button to produce weak
electric conduction leading ball into "empty" pocket or at least
around it. Happens all the time. The same story at BJ with the
electronic chips shuffling machines. Plus they exchange the high
cards with low cards that dealer cannot bust. Dealer should in
average bust 28 times in 100 hands. I already counted 48 hands no
dealer bust! Don't believe that casinos are controlled by 3rd party
agencies! Because the casinos feed the government politicians with
money nobody can make anything against absolute political power. The
casino games are now more games of luck than of skill. Don't even
mention the scam online casinos!
It is a possibility. I donít really
Interesting question? Sometimes it seems
they are. Have you encountered this?
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Hi Everyone; Keep up the good work.
I have been suspicious of our local
Casino Rama -Ontario Canada for some time now. Both me and my
sidekick have been successful precision shooters for awhile now. We
both experience no consistent control over the tables for about 4
months now. We both have moved on to another casino. Our shooting on
our practice rigs is good! The $25. table inside is much better,
but we won't play outside our playing management. The problem we feel is not the dice, but
the two main tables in the casino themselves. They changed the cloth
about four months ago and they are much more than random percent
now. The first effect was the dice bounced off the table
consistently Now the dice do not behave, even though the carpet has
become more worn and not so bouncy We would use consistent good
money management, and still lose every session. We thought we
figured it out. They change the dice twice a day and we see new dice
coming out of the new packages. I suppose it is possible to be the
dice. How would you know for sure! I would be interested to see how
your survey fares.
Yes defenently in Washington state. It
became an Ego thing at a tribal casino. I had to play there or not
at all, and was very good at small consistent wins. I reported it to
the Gaming commission that was a mistake also. here in the
Philippines I have only played once. and was denied by the stick man
of a win on a come bet 10 with single odds.
am convinced that some casinos use
Ďunfairí dice. My craps partner and I have observed many, many
tables, both in Indiana and Las Vegas, where a 6-1 was the
combination for a seven-out for ALL the shooters for well over an
I personally observed a 40 minute
session (about 15 shooters) at a Las Vegas Station casino where
EVERY roll thrown had either a 1 or a 6 in it. I had noticed the
preponderance of 1-6 Ďseven-outsí, so I quit playing and watched for
the next 40 minutes, jotting down every combo.
These tables also have an amount of 2s
and 12s that are FAR in excess of what you would expect to see.
Since a heavy-7 set also kills donít betters on the come out, the
only way to try to succeed with these is either laying against the
point, or playing minimal donít pass and then laying MAX odds,
minimizing the damage from the come out sevens.
On other occasions, we have observed the
5-2 exclusively, where, statistically, you would expect to see a
fairly equal mix of 1-6, 3-4 and 5-2s. Very rarely have we seen a
preponderance of 3-4s.
absolutely believe that on occasion
casinos use unfair dice. I play in Biloxi, Ms., and after noticing
the abnormal occurrence of 6/1 and of a 6 or a 1 in almost every
toss, I began researching the law and found no regulation of dice
in Mississippi or Nevada. Others have described the same results
as "6/1 flats". The 6/1 sides of those dice are slightly longer than
the other sides and when setting I could feel them "out of
Square". Needless to say I was also "out of There" and did not play
that casino for over a year. I have been back playing there for a
year now and have not seen the same problem. It is possible that the
dice are the result of poor quality control in Mexico or India but I
am positive that dice not perfectly square are played routinely and
do negatively impact the random aspect of the game. As a result I
now carry the phone number of the Gaming Commission in my wallet
and am prepared to file a complaint if and when the "6/1 flats" show
yes, I feel that some casino use biased
dice. I played at the Ritz Carlton in san Juan, PR and went point
seven out 11 times. The dice reacted as in that movie Ocean's 13.
The dice really dice just flip over to the losing 7.
Yep. Definitely. I was in Vegas before
Christmas, charting a table and the players were hitting a 6-1
seven, getting a point and then 6-1 out. Not just most players. ALL
players. Never saw a 7 that wasn't a 6-1. After watching the table
for a bit I played the Don't, so did OK, but most players were
placing the inside after the point was established. Dice were not
clear dice, but opaque. While it is possible that the dice were
fair, it isn't probably that all the 7s of the 35 I charted would be
6-1. Not sure if the casino was 'cheating', since I'd their license
means more than one craps table. But were they playing around the
edges? I'd say so.
I play twice a week. The dice that are
used now days are unbalanced, that is their center mass is off
center. The results are the same is six ace flats. A lot of 4-10 's,
and 6-1, 5-2, sevens. They have no idea what to look for when they
check the dice before they put them in the game. They spin them on
the calipers, and even though they keep stopping on the same
numbers, they put them in the game. Most dice are now made in
Mexico, so there's little chance of word getting out.
I just came back from Vegas and had not
played craps for along time till this trip. I would document the 7
out numbers and found several were 4/3 and not the 6/1 like so many
have told me to watch out for. I only rolled myself 4 times. 2
rolls over 20 and 2 rolls under 10 I think. I have heard there
are clear vs. frosted and different colored dice used at the tables
where the casino will switch colors or types on you so watch for
that. It happened and I didn't even notice.
I play frequently (2-3 times weekly).
Last year was a good year for me, made about 20K. Along about the
end of November I began to see that there was something "different".
No one was having a reasonable hand at the table. I began to watch
more than play. I have not been to a casino in over a month. Yes, I
do believe there is something going on.
I couldn't tell Ed, what would I look
for to tell if the dice are altered? I can steal some and do further
analysis if you like ??? Has anybody stole any dice from casino?
It's easy to do, just toss them over the end and have a buddy pick
sub them out, like drop
another pair while he picks up the real
I do think they sometimes cheat.
YES MOHEGAN SUN LAST WEEK
it is so bad, I do not shoot craps
nearly as much at the KC Casinos I can get three numbers -place or
come- and bam......6-1. It is uncanny.
I play craps at 6 different places in
Iowa the dice act so different at three of the places I no longer
Most definitely some of the casinos are
using bad dice. When you get all 6/1 seven outs even on CF's you
have to wonder whatís going on. You can also tell when they are
using good dice. I do a short roll-out with all the dice before I
pick two. One night at BINNIONS all six dice came up ONE'S!!! That
should never happen with fair dice. Do I think they are FIXING the
dice?? NO, but they use inferior dice.
Yes. I don't have a specific instance in
mind. But the dice at Potawatomi (spelling is wrong) has always made
me suspicious. I have caught something "funny" happening at the
roulette wheel there. The wheel slowed down and then sped up. I
complained to the state but nothing came up of it. They said it was
somebody's hand. I have since moved to NM where there is a lot of
casinos and my craps game is going much better ! I don't know how
they would cheat and am interested in what you come up with. Weird
how my game is so much better down here.
Yes, I think the casino maybe be using
special dice-Do you know if they are?
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I think that I have been cheated at
least 5 or more times at casinos that I have been to while playing
craps. I don't know how they do it but on several occasions while I
have been shooting the dice seem to change from perfect square to
one side shaved. Not perpendicular to the next side. Every time I
thought that this to be true I have sevened out. If you could have
put 4 dice together they would not make a square!!!. Some other
times I have noticed that after a med roll the dice seemed like they
had an electric charge in them .They would not stick together when
holding them. You could pick one of them up and drop it from one
foot up and it would find its way to a 6 every time. Sounds ferry
strange doesn't it!!!! I have felt this a number of times while
shooting and have sevened out. Now if I shoot when I fell that
current in them I simply through them off the table!!!!! I get a new
set and the doughtier go crazy as I calmly through my come out with
new dice. I dint say anything because no one would believe me but I
have my concerns. It would seem pointless to say anything to the
crew because they have no control over who is flipping the switch!!!
Ever wonder why there is a mad dash to find a die when it has fallen
off the table????? I think I have seen a die take one more flip when
it has looked like it has stopped but it made one late complete turn
so we could seven out. Maybe its superstition. Dice players are
never accused of that!!!!!!!!! HA HA GOOD LUCK STOPPING THE GAME TO
PROVE YOUR POINT!!! BY THE TIME YOU BR ING IT UP, ITS TOO LATE!!!
Yes, I have
played at casinos in AC where the dice were suspect of being altered
and the tables were very bouncy. Resorts, Trump Marina, Taj Mahal,
Bally's, Trump Plaza and Show Boat are the casinos that I avoid
this about 2-1/2 to 3 years ago. Lets face it when 9 out of 10
seven outs are 6-1 there is reason to suspect the dice. I noticed
that this was common on the low min tables. The $25 tables the dice
seemed to be better at times. One time I did a short roll when I got
the 5 dice handed to me and all 5 were 6ís. I think they call that
yatzie. Any way we do the short roll to try to find the fair dice
usually we pick the 4 & 3. The casino wonít use 4-3 shaves since
they hit the inside numbers including the seven. The 6-1 shave hits
the horn numbers and the outside numbers. The 6-1 shaves kills the
Doís and the Donít players. The Donít players lay the 4 and the 10
and the 6-1 will give an above average number of hits for the
The felt was
also changed to micro fiber that is very bouncy. This felt is very
shiny. The casino says they use it because it holds up better but I
suspect they are trying to stop the dice control players. All of
this eliminates the advantage of parr players, the on axis toss
combined with the setting of the dice to pick off certain numbers.
Some of the
casinos that did the above early on saw a decrease in craps players
and changed the table felts. But the casinos I listed above are
suspect to shaved dice.
Do you think
casinos cheat at the dice table?
table felt, additional material within 18Ē from the end wall and the
biased dice. When I first started playing craps the table had a nice
hard surface where you could hear the dice hit the table. Now you
see the dice bouncing off the table a lot. I now do not help out and
chase down the dice, let the suits run them down.
yes I do think at very busy times the
casinos use cheat dice and the table or under the felt there is some
thing that makes the dice do crazy things you would not think is
possible to happen I have seen dice total stop then one dice roll
over on one side and I have seen tables were no good shooters or
dice setters could not get any thing going.
You bet casinos are using biased dice
which are either twisted or shaved. They have no one to stop them
from doing it. The Gaming Commission is useless as they don't have
updated equipment to check the dice.
Most of the players don't chart the tables and when the sevens
average more than 2 every 12 rolls then there is a good chance you
using biased dice and most people don't know it or don't want to
believe it because they don't think a casino would cheat. A casino
will do what they can get away with.
When the casinos stopped using balancers and calipers at the tables,
then you better
believe there is a smoking gun. I think Colorado has the best craps
rules. Due to these rules, they reject about half there dice as not
meeting specs. Each dice is measured and balance checked at the
Yes, without a doubt. Resorts in Tunica
on several occasions. Sahara in Vegas. These 2 casinos admitted
they use the dice to me.
There is no doubt in My opinion that the
casinos are using house biased dice. I play often and in several
casinos. the fact that there are more short rolls, P S Os and one or
two 7s, such as 6/1s or 5/2s.When this happens other numbers are
displaced and not showing up, usually the 6&8. What the casinos are
doing is going to kill the game if this practice continues!!! They
have the edge on every bet except the odds behind the line. They
don't have to use biased dice. I have only found two casinos that
have fair dice where I play. I will admit that I only play in a
small percentage of all the casinos in Vegas. I also choose not to
play on the weekends, as playing conditions are worse during that
I can positively state that many casinos
across the country have biased dice in play.
I have personally seen faulty biased dice tested in the casino on at
least 4 occasions. I have seen biased dice challenged and confirmed
in the casino on one occasion, only to have a gaming commission
representative deny a written complaint to be taken( a state gaming
regulation violation by itself) and the record of incident lost. I
have seen 17 of 18 sevens come as 6/1 sevens on a table.
I have seen so much talk on web sites of 6/1 sevens in play, that it
resulted in the
casinos switching to 5/2 sevens. I have seen 3 and 4 tables in the
same casino have 2x's more 4s and 10s than 6s & 8s for more than 5
hours observation; along with 20 to 30% more horn #s as well. I have
seen the manufacturing process and testing of a major supplier in
person; and, can confirm there was NO testing done for balance.
I have seen dice tested in the casino where the balance testing was
not done with
any knowledge on how to find or confirm that a die is balanced or
not - on almost every occasion. There are no instructions or
specific instructions and details in any States gaming regulations
and policies; though Colorado does have slightly better language
than most others, they are woefully short in insuring a fair game as
far as the dice are concerned. In fact, the regulations are so weak
in the specifics as to insure unbiased dice, one can only conclude
they were written with this probability to occur and be with-in the
requirements. Dark siders get killed on the CO 7-11s and many times
large lays on 4 & 10s are lost. Same table and losers on both sides!
Place betters are lost 6&8s that seldom roll. Charted tables show
more horns, 4 & 10s and 7outs at the cost of 6 & 8s on the ratio
pyramid. These tables are difficult to beat and one must proceed in
a manner against all normal methods and odds; because the odds of
the game are not fair and true! Just one mans observations not just
an opinion). Most do not believe this, but after more than 5 years
observations on what one could define full time, it is their loss,
yes, they are using dice that are
overused, there are no more sharp edges and some of the dice are
slightly deformed. One new casino here in our country is not using
regulation table tops, they are using rubber table tops, to make it
very , very ,bouncy, how can I use dice control in this table?
There is no fair dice on the weekend you
might see one set out of 6 tables that are fair.
When there is a convention in Vegas you
would be hard presses too find fair dice on the tables. If you see
someone go on a big roll and there was a lot of money taken off the
table you will not find fair dice for a few days all the 7 will be
coming the same way!
I played at
Main Street in LV over the holidays. Every time I played I lost
betting on other people. I talked to two other players who said the
dice went around the table and constantly 7'nd out. One lady said
she stopped playing there altogether. I lost $800. On a previous
trip to LV I had won $500 and $700 at Main Street. I am going to
stop short of accusing them of having crooked dice. I think the
Station casinos in LV may be in bankruptcy. If so, it does make you
I feel they use sharp corner dice and
they inflate and deflate the table and also air waves to rule the
I have played at Laberge Dulac in
Louisiana and they consistently have a distinct advantage every time
I have played there. The only time I have won there was when a
random shooter who was betting the dark side, got the dice and was
trying to throw a natural and won me a lot of money...lol He hit
hard ways after hardways, but when I set the dice and threw
them...the red devil showed up. Everyone I watched throw the dice
seemed to include the natural in less than every 5 or 6 throws.
Seems a little suspicious...what was even more suspicious is the
fact that they had a dice balancer in the pit and a suit was
explaining to me that all dice were checked to make sure they were
perfectly balanced from the mfg. I'm not sure which way they were
using this info?
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Felt they used bad dice - I know they
use bad dice! The double eagle casino in Colorado was shut down for
a while about 6 months ago for using "Bad Dice". I live in Indiana,
and when the gaming commission took the state police out of
"policing" the casinos-we started seeing "bad dice". I would be at
a craps table for 2 hours and see more 2's and 12's than 6's and 8's
- do not insult me and say it is the dice correcting themselves.
The thanksgiving weekend five years ago one of the river boat
casino's we caught with "bad dice" and the gaming commission swept
it under the rug - I know the guy who caught them.
I think it has been an evolution for the
casinos. It started with 6-1 seven outs. I would be at a table for
two hours and ALL of the seven outs would be 6-1. One of my buddies
has a son who is a craps dealer, and he told his son the casinos
were cheating - his son did not believe him. Several weeks later he
came home and told his dad that he was right. During his shift, all
of the seven out were 6-1. Then we started seeing 5-2 seven-outs.
I was at a casino in Mississippi and for 3 hours all we saw were 5-2
seven-outs. When you go to a table and see more 4's, 10's and horn
numbers than 6's and 8's - THEY ARE CHEATING. I am in a casino 3-4
times a week. I am not a 3 or 4 times a year player. The math does
not add up. The dice are altered in the manufacturing process.
Once the dice started coming from Mexico, there were problems. The
dice are out of balance and the casino floor people do not know how
to use the balancing calipers correctly to check for balance.
Recently at a charity casino, I've seen
the pit boss behind the craps table
use a dice scribe to alter the dice as he is setting the needle
point, he is pressing
so hard his knuckles are turning white, when the new dice were
brought in, they would wobble, rendering setting useless. and
another occasion, table is super hot, everyone long rolls, dice get
thrown off the table, suddenly 5 new dice appear, pit boss says die
was badly chipped and new dice needed......how bad can a die get
rolling on that carpet....
Here are the SRR results from six sheets
of dice rolls(120 rolls per sheet) recorded at the Trump Plaza on
November 2,3 & 4, 2009. 4.14, 4.6, 6.1, 4.9, 5.21 & 5.6 This is a
relatively small population to draw a conclusion from, but it gives
one pause for serious thought!
yes very much so! my husband and I were
in Biloxi, at two different casinos when the dice seem to be rolling
mostly 7's. no craps, evens or hard ways. and they felt sticky. we
were told that they were made of cotton, so the sweat from handling
them made them that way. lost our butts those days.
that the Beltera Casino in Indiana has bad dice. I can't truly put
my finger on the problem but they just felt funny in my hand. And
for sure they were very small. I know that there are different sizes
in dice but they just seemed wired. I was not the only one
complaining. This was bout 3 years ago.
I'm sorry (MY
PERSONAL OPINION) then casino wants you to walk in hand over your
money and then they will put their foot in your butt and shove you
out the door. I have found and pointed out bad dice in AC, LV, in
Indiana, Mississippi, Illinois, and St. Louis. We found that the
gaming commission is in charge of protecting the CASINO from
employees stealing from the CASINO and players cheating/stealing
from the CASINO. There is NOTHING in there realm of their business
where the gaming commission protects the player from the CASINO !!!!
I was in Tunica with Sage, Baitman, Dr. Z and we were playing at
Hollywood Casino. These guys did not believe in" bad dice" and I
showed them what 5-2 dice looked like. I also pointed out 6-1 dice
in the Resorts Casino in Tunica. Some dice are worse than others -
BUT THEY ARE ALL OVER. With casino profits down, the casinos are
wanting to squeeze as much $$$$$ out of the players as they can -
BAD DICE !!!!
What a shame
though that the casinos feel they need to further slant the odds in
their favor. Yeah, I know, "it's all about the money", but still
there should be some recourse for the players. I'm fairly new to
the game, but wonder - other than Colorado where they're illegal
- are altered dice less prevalent in some geographic regions/casinos
than others, i.e., like Mississippi, etc. Anybody have any thoughts
You must keep
in mind that craps is a 'bound game'. So far, whenever the house
alters the conditions, somebody finds a way to take advantage of
that. It is a function of how evenly balanced casino craps is on
both the do and don't sides. This necessitates both observation and
the ready willingness to alter your betting strategy and to play
what you are seeing!! A casino induced bias greatly increases the
possibilities for profit - elsewhere. The astute player just needs
to figure out the house caused shift.
For the same
reason the Vegas casinos have changed the game of Blackjack to the
point where it is unbeatable.....................GREED ! ! ! ! The
same reason the casinos introduced Microfiber tables...........They
don't like to lose ! ! ! Oh yes, and one other
reason.................because they can get away with it ! ! ! !
Remember, that according to some of the state commissions they " are
within tolerance "
In the case
of shaves (old style altered dice) you would never be able to "feel"
the slim 5 one thousandths of an inch of the shave. Modern altered
dice are manufactured by controlling the temperature/cooling of the
center of the dice so that the center mass point is shifted towards
one specific face. You would never be able to feel this difference
either!! In NJ several years ago the casino regulations were
significantly eased so that the old style shaves are no longer
illegal. What possible reason would YOU put forward for such a house
favorable and totally unnecessary alteration to the state's gambling
available yet people still choose to rob banks - surely you are not
naive enough to still believe that corporations "never cheat"
regardless of what their profit edge already happens to be?!!!! Do
you remember Enron?!!!!
I remember an end run, and I remember
Exxon, but most allÖ. I remember the Alamo! Tubs from San Antonio,
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