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Please remember!  These are archives!  The Dice Setter message board was shut down. What is published here are just a few of the threads documenting the early days of dice setting strategies and opinions written by the pioneers of dice influencing.

  Consistency?

smoovej

That thread on practice, and some of those posts got me thinking about something that should be a perennial topic around here: consistency.

Particularly, I'm curious what people think is the best way to track one's constancy on a given table, whether it is your practice table or the tables in your favorite casino. It seems to me that you can practice all you want on one table and get the form working, but if you can't get the dice outcomes to come out with some consistency, you're not gonna be any more a winner any more than your friendly neighborhood chicken feeder.

Any thoughts on ways to know if you're getting ahead of the random rollers at any given point?

Engineer

What types of consistencies would you like to have at the craps table? Aren't there other forms of consistency besides the outcomes of the dice, that could play into the results such as bet size, numbers, speed of the game, luck, and manners.

Dice Cup and Stick

Can we agree in practice for consistency that there is stance, pick up, hand, wrist motion, arch, and velocity?

smoovej

Yes, but there are other things, such as landing, pitch, roll, yaw (which, since you're an engineer I think you may have already grouped into your velocity category), and final resting orientation of initial axis. There's a lot to keep track of, isn't there?

Unfortunately I can't imagine keeping track of all these things entirely in a casino. That's why my question is a bit more general than understanding what goes into a good throw. My question is basically this: Based on the final resting of the dice, are there certain things to pay attention to that will give a shooter a measure of confidence in his ability that session?

It seems to me that even if I end up with a SRR as big as god ever allowed, but the final resting position and orientation isn't what I expect, I should run for the hills, because that SRR is just a touch of luck this time. Any thoughts?

Engineer

To summarize effective practice sessions, and to improve consistent outcomes of the die through a smooth delivery. I would have to agree with you that the pitch, roll, yaw, and number thrown could and should be tracked, but these things are just the result of the previous throw. We are trying to be concerned with would seem be the physics of the act of throwing. Although these things may not be able to be done in a casino you might consider chalking off part of a practice board with a small target area, and useing different colored die to track left and right dice. I'm sure many people have already heard of these methods and invented their own intuitive methods of improving their own skills. I enjoy reading about these inventive methods on the boards.

smoovej

I'm not entirely sure what you meant by this. To me, pitch, yaw, and roll are about the only important pieces to the physics of dice rolling, with the trajectory filling out the list of interesting parts to a roll. By this, I mean that all the practice and form are only there to try and maintain these values in a consistent manner. If we produce consistent angular velocity components with the dice, I don't see how likely we'll be successful precision rollers. Stated another way, if we can't consistently maintain our primary axis, we probably will have a hard time maintaining our bankrolls.

may your 7's be few and far between

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