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Please remember!  These are archives!  The Dice Setter message board was shut down. What is published here are just a few of the threads documenting the early days of dice setting strategies and opinions written by the pioneers of dice influencing.

Would You Do It All Over Again?

Irishsetter

Knowing what you know NOW.  Would you have started down the dice setting path if you'd realized how much practice and dedication it would take to become a dice influencer?  Has it been worth it?  (Not just financially, but also has it been personally satisfying?)

Engineer

Irish,

It never crossed my mind. Sounds like you are having second thoughts.     For most of us it doesn't mean posting a new web page every night. That might make things a little different for us.

As for the time spent practicing I  find it most enjoyable. It give me something to look forward too, seeing that I can't spend all my nights in casinos. That time spent has been well worth it's while.

I think most of us, could if necessary pull out of this for other endeavors. I must admit it encompasses most of my free time, but if it is a passion of yours not one second seems to be wasted.

Do you have reservations about gambling? I would think that anyone should have some. Once we have resolved these issues we should be able to go ahead with confidence in our pursuits.

Irishsetter

Engineer,

You're trying to read too much into my question.  Personally I've gotten A LOT of satisfaction from having taught myself the skill.  The reason I raised the question is that I think most people who stumble across the idea of dice setting think it's a quick and easy way to make a buck.  When they find out it's hard, AND takes practice and discipline, they lose interest.  You don't know how many interested and earnest shooters that have come and gone in the past year....

It took me about a year to become consistent... and I continue to improve with time (like good wine).    No, it was just a question to see if others get as much satisfaction out of the skill itself (like me) as they do out of the prospect of winning.

Dylanfreak

Yeah Irish I would do it again----I have only been going to casinos for less than 2 years----And only seriously dice setting  since last fall------During that 2 years I have discovered a culture that I didn't know anything about---Gambling-----and a subculture of craps that I found very frustrating at first and still it has its good times and bad-----dicesetting and tossing-----but I have fun practicing those sets and tosses and since I have a bankroll that is only for gambling, albeit a small one , my experiences in casinos have been quite pleasant----yeah I'd do it again------

Mad Professor

Hmmm, good question.

Yes, for me it has been well worth it.

If I knew when I started trying the whole Precision-Shooting thing more than ten years ago, that I would still be refining and improving on a weekly basis, I wouldn't have believed it.

The more that I learned and developed, the more I learned about myself.  I think the toughest part was mastering the mental side of the game.  For me, that's still a work-in-progress.

Would I choose a different lifestyle?

No way!  But I'll quickly admit that it definitely is not for everyone.  It's not all glitz and glamour.  Rather, the hours of play, preparation and practice equal that of pretty much any other full-time job.  

Now would I change anything about the way that I've learned?

Sure.  I would have spent much MORE time practicing at home or in a hotel room, and much LESS actual in-casino experimentation.  Had I done that, I would have saved obscene amounts of money that went into the casinos coffers.

Heavy

I'm having too much fun to have second thoughts.  

roadrunner

Life at dice was a bi**h until I started using Zekes dice sets a few years ago.  Quite frankly I was losing my a**.  The setting brought better hands but the RR betting was killing me.  It took a while but from what I learned from dicesetter.com, PARR and applying some of the other info I have come across it all is coming together.  My practice time is not what it should be but I play about 60-80 hours a month.  I've shot the dice in a casino 7000+ times this year and  + is more than my -.

Shotputter

I could say this about a lot of things, but I wish I knew 10-15 years ago what I know now about dice setting.

I look at the March class as a great opportunity.

Shooter57

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Actually cant remember when I wasn't studying the game in some manner or aspect. A smooth easy rhythmic throw has been part of my play for a long time .Pre setting is the icing on the cake.

JustMikeF

You could probably fill a 4 year college curriculum with what most experienced players have had to learn just to be able to break even in this game, if they were diligent in their lab classes.  Add a year or two of precision throwing for your Masters, if you didn't let the math totally control your game, you might make $100 a week at professional craps. A few more years of experience to know what it takes to be a consistent shooter and player as an intern.  I haven't met anyone who isn't still a practicing Doctor, that has come that far.  
No, I probably wouldn't do it over again if someone stated it to me this way. I like the way I've learned what I know so far.  Mostly at the school of hard knocks. The only Ph.D. I have is a post hole digger.

Steve

As the dice are released and floating together in a perfect arc, a really good feeling comes over me, maybe that is the muscle memory thing.

OTOH, when they slip from my fingers, #@*&^%$!

No I don't regret starting down this path, although right now I'm wrestling with re-learning everything on purpose and it kinda sucks, can't seem to do anything right.  But I'tl come together, I bet!

Hinduman

Irish,

Great question.  I would do it over again but like many wish I had started earlier in my career!!!
I have shot the dice since 1969 but it has been only in the last three years that I have been able to sharpen my skills to any degree. Like the Mad Prof I paid my tuition to the casinos too often in the past trying for a "degree".   Since finding and reading yours and others boards and listening to all the good and wise advice here and on the other boards I really enjoy the table time a lot more.  Profits are small for me because I usually grind it out on the darkside but when I get in "the zone" as Heavy says there is nothing that matches it.  However, don't say anything to the Wife, OK!!!

rhythm dice setter

It is a challenge to win. So anything that helps to your advantage is paramount.  Besides it is relaxing when you know that you minimize the risks.  Dice setting is only part of the equation. Control and money management factors in.

Just like the stock mkt, don't be greedy and take your profits and be happy.  I adhere to the old but true adage of 'PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT'.   The satisfaction from winning brings on relaxation and avoid nervousness when shooting.

Golfer

In a heartbeat.

I do wish I had seen the light a lot earlier.   I still cringe to think of all the sessions of PL+Come+Come ending with a 7 out.   Thank you sir may I have another?

I also wish I had found the Money Management basics earlier (read regression and discipline).

Setting is a challenge.   If you stop responding to challenges why get up in the morning?

Like golf, setting requires practice and constant refinement.   However, the benefits rival that of making birdie on the toughest hole on the course or nailing a drive 300+yds in the middle of a fairway.    Who here doesn't at least smile when they make the perfect throw and the dice fly just as expected coming to rest softly for that sweet sound of "Winner".

BBMW

This is still pretty experimental to me.  I've put in some practice time, but not a whole lot of actual casino time.  That is a problem for me, because the closest casinos aren't all that close, and, to my mind, not that good, at least compared to Vegas.

While I like the concept, at this point the jury is still out on whether controlled throwing can actually work consistently in a real casino environment.  At some point, I'll be able to give it the time I need to feel that either it's working, or it never will, at which point, I'd write it off.

The casino's make there money by dangling a pot of gold just out of reach of the players.  I really like the idea of being able to hook in and reel it in.  This, and maybe card counting, is the best way I can see of doing that.

NoFieldFive

Absolutely!!!!!

I have played dice for 20+ years but never felt what could be called a grasp on the game.  It was always hit or miss.  Mostly miss!

I found this board last August and since then I am in the black for my casino outings (5 Trips).  My friends ask me sarcastically "Do you own the casino yet?".  No one understands the time and practice commitment required.  Every trip I see improvement in my setting results.  The consistency I need is still eluding me but things are better since the PARR class in March.  The Zone thing works.

My favorite thing to do is record 120 tosses at night after a stressful day.  It relaxes me and focuses my mind away from the stress causing issues.

To answer the question.........YES!  It has been worth the time and money "invested".

MickeyD

I've been playing craps on and off somewhere between 8 & 10 years.  I threw the dice as a random roller for the first six months and astutely realized it was an exercise in frustration.  From that point on whenever I played I would pass the dice and bet on the trends or shooter capabilities.    This past fall I saw a dice setter in action, went on the net to check it out and found the Irishsetter.  Having now experienced, first hand, how dice setting and precision shooting can alter the random outcome of the game, I'm totally immersed!  Like many others here, I wish I knew then what I know now!  But like Irishsetter said, it's hard work, as most of you know.  I have set aside time each and every day since finding this site working to become the best that I can be at this discipline and it is completely and totally satisfying.  It's hard work for sure but when you like what you're doing you don't see it as such.  It's just a pleasure to do and rewarding for both the monetary gains (when they come) and, most importantly for me, the ability to master a physco-physical challenge.

So would I do it all over?  You bet, in half a heart beat!!

Long Arm

I would start earlier.  I knew about dice setting and precision shooting in the early 80s, had it showed to me two or three times in the 80s and never took it seriously until about 6 years ago.

daveygene

do it over again.  I'm just starting. Mother's Day I'll turn 77, and never spent as much time in casinos as I'd like because I HATE TO LOSE, but I do like to play.  Without practice, I do better than I used to, still make most of my money from others, coming out, make that a two-way on big red.

Dave

ONLY REGRET IS DIDN'T FIND THIS SOONER.  DON'T KNOW WHEN WEBSITE BEGAN, OR EVEN HOW LONG SETTING HAS BEEN AROUND.  IF I HAD STARTED THIS 5 YEARS AGO, I WOULD BE MUCH BETTER BY NOW.  WHILE AVOIDING THE SUPERMAN COMPLEX, IT IS STILL GOOD TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE TEAM PLAY CHARTING A TABLE IS REALLY UNNECESSARY.  I HAVE HAD RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE 5 COUNT AND MANY OTHER STRATEGIES TRYING TO DEFY RANDOM FOR A LONG TIME.  I BELIEVE THE AUTHORS ARE NOW MAKING MONEY SELLING BOOKS WHILE THE SETTERS ARE WORKING FOR OUR MONEY ON THE TABLES.  HARD WORK AND LONG HOURS FOR POSITIVE RESULTS - AT ONE TIME THAT WAS THE AMERICAN WAY, WE SETTERS STILL BELIEVE IN IT.

KRUE

Hell Yeah its been worth it!!!   

If I had the chance I wouldn't change a thing  ,Id definitely do it all over again.   Its been worth it

Dice setting has proven to be very profitable for me .
I always leave ahead when i play- a little skill and a lot of luck go along way -but dice setting sure gets me paid$$$ 8)

Glenn

I am also new to setting bout 2 months now, but am going thru trial and error on my charting. But last night while setting the flying V for 150 rolls I liked the way my sheet looked and will make me one with excel spreadsheet. Also reading the 2 color dice helped with which one was doing what. A ? the left die landed on 1 - 38 times , am going to toss all the sets 150 and then start over. LOVE THIS!!

Engineer

Irishsetter,

We all can see this that you have created a flaming hot subject! Are we missing something though? There is no need to do this all over again actually. Whatever we have learned so far I’m sure we will be able to take with us, but there something that we have yet missed that we must ask.

Can there be a parallel world to what we now consider to be the most advanced way to approach craps shooting. What will become the next wave of advancements we will find?

We now use among other things mind control, grips, sets, strategies, and exercises to improve our game, but how will we be shooting in the year 2003, and beyond.

All of us would have quit a long time ago if this did not appear to be the path to follow. Everyone has posted positive results from there attempts at precision shooting. The facts are now where will all our passions lead us too when we have come this far. What will be the next invention, what will be the next way to go, when will we arrive at the next fork in the road to take us to our destination?

Mr. Tech

Well I can't do it all over again since I haven't done it the first time.

I read in one of Scoblete's books about his rhythm rolling and getting in a zone, etc.  I bought some dice and piddled around but couldn't tell any difference.  I tied throwing V3s in LV and couldn't tell any difference.  I had my best luck using John Patrick's betting systems.

Then on JP's sight I read about this sight and spend some time reading everything on here. I bought Yuri's book and Rolling Thunder. I did a practice session on my knees in the hall and had a SSR of 13.4 to1. (I could barely get out of bed the next day) So I'm damn sure going to give it a try.

I don't have a box yet.  I have been practicing by trying to throw to a small spot on the bed.  Man I sure wish I had been on the system when the PARR deal was held a couple of months ago.

So would I do it all over again? My guess is in a couple of years, I will say a definite  YES.

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