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Topic: NEW SHOOTER NEEDING ADVICE
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Date: 10/9/2001 5:01:30 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
DLFISH
Slogan: LEARNTHEHARDWAY
Author: DLFISH
Slogan: LEARNTHEHARDWAY
NEW TO THE GAME. HAVE BEEN PLAYING ABOUT SIX MONTHS NOW. AT FIRST I WAS
A CHICKEN FEEDER AT THE TABLE. I HAPPENED ONTO THIS SITE AND WAS VERY INTRIGUED WITH THE
PROSPECTS OF DICE CONTROL. STARTED PRACTICING AT HOME ON THE FLOOR WITH A PAIR OF USED
SAM'S TOWN DICE. I KNOW THE FLOOR IS NOT THE OPTIMUM PLAYING SURFACE, BUT I HAVE NO
OTHER PLACE YET. I LIVE IN MEMPHIS AND AM ONLY 45 MINUTES AWAY FROM TUNICA.
I HAVE FREQUENTED THE CASINOS A LOT IN THE PAST 3 MONTHS. MY BIGGEST PROBLEM
IS BETTING ON OTHER ROLLERS. I USUALLY
HAVE A LIMITED BANKROLL OR 1 TO 2 HUNDRED TO PLAY ON. THE DICE SET I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING
WITH IS THE DIAGONAL.
I HAVE IMPROVED MY GAME CONSIDERABLY SINCE I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING SETTING. I AM NOT WHERE
I NEED TO BE, HOWEVER. I KNOW PRACTICE IS WHAT IT TAKES, AND LOTS OF IT. ANY SUGGESTIONS
AS TO TABLE POSITION FOR THE DIAGONAL GRIP AND BETTING METHODS. AM PLANNING TO GO TO
TUNICA ON THE MORNING OF THE 11 OF OCTOBER. HELP!!! P.S. DLFISH STANDS FOR DRYLAND FISH. I
AM ORIGINALLY FROM WEST TEXAS.
DLFISH
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Date: 10/9/2001 5:32:57 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
BlackCloud
Slogan: UgHHH!
UGHH! How Far West? UGHHH!
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Date: 10/9/2001 7:20:01 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Dylanfreak
Slogan: have fun
DL--You know what frogs say in West
Texas?----LLuuuuuubbbbbbbuuuuuuukkkkkkk----I went to Tunica today-----I`m your classic low
roller----Buyin Today was $150 at Harrahs----Played 1 hour----Shot the dice twice from the
end of the table-----One time held the dice for 19 rolls , four passes----next time lost
count but it was low 20s and 6 passes---I was only betting pass line so I didn`t reap big
benefits----I was happy with my 62 buck win---I used the straight sixes stacked with the 2
facing down the table (like heavy`s Shrevport nurse) on the comeout----Shooting for the
pass line point I used the crossed sixes (like the Mad Prof- I think) but I stack them and
the 5 , 4 face toward the end of the table--I did throw two craps with the crossed sixes
like the Prof said would happen--this was the only time I changed my comeout set to 4, 4
with the sixes facing away from me and guess what -another craps--Other than these 3 craps
and my 2 seven outs the other rolls were fine--DL you will like this site and the other
sites listed---I ran into Rudy Schiller today at a blackjack table but he wasnt playin
like his buddy Scobete --he was winnin`---That was just a joke --Rudy writes a column for
Jackpot Magazine and has a gamblin news Radio Show comin outta Memphis on Sat morns---Have
fun DL I just had an Aunt that passed away in Floydada, Tex----Dylanfreak
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Date: 10/9/2001 7:23:59 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
heavy
Slogan: Where in the hell is Luchenbach?
Fish -
Let me make a couple of suggestions based on your bankroll and experience level.
First, if you haven't already done so, pick up John Partick's Advanced Craps book. You can
order it on John's site at www.johnpatrick.com. I think the irishsetter has a link to it
on this site.
Second, carefully study everything John says about money management and discipline.
Third, if you're going to play in Tunica with a $100 - $200 bankroll then you need to be
playing at Fitzgeralds. Why? Because it's the only $3 game over there. And with your
bankroll and experience level you should be sticking with a $3 game as much as possible
until you master the game.
Fourth, learn to chart (a) tables and (b) shooters. You are looking for a table that is
rolling the way you intend to bet. If you are going to bet the do side then you want a
table where someone is making points and throwing a lot of sixes and eights. If you're
going to bet the dark side - well, just the opposite. And you're looking for shooters who
are setters or natural rhythmic rollers who are throwing at least eight numbers before
sevening out on a consistent basis.
Fifth, consider a hit and down strategy on other shooters, limiting your action on the
pass line to when you or one of the qualified shooters at the table has the dice. By hit
and down I mean this. Say it's a qualified shooter. Three bucks on the pass line. Point is
established. Bet a $6 six and eight if you don't have them from the pass line bet. Place
odds ($5 or $6 for correct payoff) behind your line bet. If you get a hit on the six or
eight you should immediately come down on your place bets. You will have locked up a $7
win - and still have a line bet with odds totaling $8 ot $9 working. At that point you
are in fat city - you have a good chance at winning anywhere from $9 to $13 on the pass
line bet, depending on the point - yet you only have $1 or $2 at risk because of the prior
hit on the six or eight.
Sixth, continue this hit and down strategy until you have increased your bankroll by 50%
or so. At that point you can either (a) add another place bet, such as the five or nine,
(b) increase the size of your place bet on the six or eight - but not both, or increase
the amount of your free odds bet. My personal choice would be (a) - and I would come down
on the five or nine after the first hit on any number, but leave the six and eight up for
another toss or two.
The main thing to remember here is this - with a limited bankroll you don't have room for
mistakes. Regardless of your setting skills - you absolutely MUST use good money
management and discipline practices in order to survive and prosper.
Oh, and lose the ALL CAPS when posting please. Most difficult to read.
-heavy
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Date: 10/9/2001 7:47:13 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
DLFISH
Slogan: LEARNTHEHARDWAY
Dylanfreak,
Sorry bout your aunt. I know where
Floydada is, cuz I am from Lubbock, about 30 miles west. Thanks for the
advice.
Heavy,
Will try your suggestions to see how they work. Thanks for the advice.
Sorry bout the caps.
dlfish
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Date: 10/9/2001 7:52:10 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
irishsetter
Home Page: ~woof~
DL -
Heavy pretty much covered betting and money management. Any grip can be used from any
position, the key is to throw the dice in a manner that they strike the wall
perpendicularly. (Like a "T") There has been some discussion on the board about
throwing into the corners if you're not at table's end, but I have yet to see someone do
this successfully in a casino setting. Good luck and keep practicing...
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Date: 10/9/2001 8:05:33 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
heavy
Slogan: "A Maiden's Prayer," by Bob
Wills
I'm jealous of all you Memphis boys because you have that good
old Memphis barbeque I grew up on - that's pulled pig for the rest of you guys.
Floydada, by the way, is just south of Memphis ... Texas. As I recall, it's the hometown
of none other than Bob Wills.
Cue the fiddles.
Cue Tommy Duncan.
Give me a folding chair and a bottle of bond.
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Date: 10/9/2001 8:09:50 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
DLFISH
Slogan: LEARNTHEHARDWAY
Heavy
I know I have read on this site about qualified shooters, but if you don't mind, could you
explain how to qualify a shooter. Thanks
Dlfish
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Date: 10/9/2001 8:12:01 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
DLFISH
Slogan: LEARNTHEHARDWAY
Yep, Bob Wills and Don Williams.
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Date: 10/10/2001 3:56:56 AM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Dylanfreak
Slogan: have fun
Yep heavy the Barbecue is so good here that i only eat
barbecue within a hundred mile radius of Memphis. I did notice the $3 table open at
Fitzgerald's in the afternoon but it was so crowded I went on down the road. If Fitz had
had a $5 table open too, I would have stayed there and played, Yesterday at 3 in the
afternoon , I walked into Gold Strike and one crap table was open -no crap players---then
counted 9 BJ players , 13 three card poker players , 1 Carribean Stud player , 3 on Let it
ride and walked over to the poker room and one table open with 9 players---I wonder
what's
going on with Gold Strike to be so empty--Of course next door at Horseshoe it was business
as usual--crowded as hell. Heavy I`d rather listen to Bob Dylan and drink a
Heinekin---Dylanfreak
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Date: 10/10/2001 4:28:10 AM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
7th Wave
DL;
Welcome, you've most likely landed on the best site that you could have for the game of
Craps.. Not to say that others aren't good, just that I pick this one for best.
You will find it most helpful I'm sure, in your quest to learn, I would like to point out
the very first paragraph on the homepage, right in the middle you will notice a big red
word, Research.. Take heed of this word.. There is tons of good help here, and as you will
notice no one claims to know everything, so Research it all, and add your own thoughts and
knowledge to it.. As no matter what one shoe just doesn't fit all, it sometimes must be
altered just a tiny bit to fit you..
Also don't be afraid to ask, should you not find your question already answered
somewhere.. That is a big part of what makes this site so different, answers and replies
will usually abound.. No matter whether your question might be totally new, or well worn
out, either the answer or where to find it will pop right up..
Best of luck to you on your quest to learn the game, may it end up fruitful to you..
Oh, kitchen floor dice, well so what, I played Carpet dice..LoLs.. However find yourself
some heavy cardboard or plywood n make a practice box of some sort, not only will it help,
but it'll save your back ...
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Date: 10/10/2001 5:50:38 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
heavy
Slogan: Color me up
Qualified shooter - one who has proven himself with prior
performance. I like to see a guy make a pass before I get on the pass line with him. And
even then, if he's a feed-the-chickens kind of shooter I may not get on the line. But I'm
looking for a qualified shooter when playing from the do side. On the other hand, if I'm
standing at the table and I've noticed that the guy straight out on the other end has gone
point-seven out the last three times he's touched the dice then you can bet I'm going to
bet the DP when he gets the dice again. So actually, I'm charting shooters and betting
both ways, depending on past performance.
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Date: 10/10/2001 6:17:57 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
DLFISH
Slogan: LEARNTHEHARDWAY
Heavy,
Thanks for the info. I am going to Tunica tomorrow morn. Will try the methods and see what
goes. Thanks
again.
dlfish
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