The gaming license is everything. It is the
source of all profit. The very idea that any casino would do anything to
endanger its gaming license is insane. The fastest way to see that paper go
bye bye is to rig a game in any way and get caught at it. If a game is found
to be rigged it better be done by employees without the knowledge of the
management and even then it is a disaster that is going to be hard to clean
The dice are fine. Let's
all stop wasting time & energy on Harley and his antics. Stop pouring gas on
this smoldering wreck.
I have heard stories but
have never personally experienced play at a table using shaved dice. I have
encountered dealers that forget to pay or try to bully me into making pass
line bets when I want to place a bet (generally on 5 & 9) but who hasn�t.
Cannot wait to hear the results of your survey. When I was overseas in Korea
(1985) they used to post the whores names and the bars they worked at that
tested positive for STDs on a board at the bus stop we used to have to take
into town. Hopefully you�ll create a list of casinos to avoid if the results
of your survey deem it a problem. Thanks
Yes, I have played craps in
a casino and have never felt like the dice used in the game were altered or
otherwise not fair dice.
I go to Vegas twice a month
and I don't think they alter the dice because I win more than I lose. And if
I lose I accept it as part or playing craps. NOW, that my precision shooting
is much more proficient but there still room for improvements I will never
give up practicing to be the best I can be. Different casinos, different
conditions, sometimes different sets etc, But I don't think they alter the
dice just to make money cause they do anyway rather you win or lose and I
don't think they would risk losing the license. That my opinion. ALOOOOOOOHA
I have played in many
casinos in AC and Vegas and also on cruise ships. I have never thought
that there was any thing done with the dice any other kind of cheating going
Only when I loose --but
really no I don't think they cheat.
Casinos don't need to cheat
at the craps tables, or any other gaming tables, for that matter. All they
need to do is just let the bettors in, and most of them will find ways to
self-destruct - all on their own.
I really don�t think that
casinos would risk so much for so little. If they did anything of the sort
then the gambling commission would come down hard on them and could possibly
put them out of business. Let�s not lose sight of the fact that the more
people winning, the more people will play and the more money logically the
casino will win. If they were going to rig the dice then it would be so
people will win so they can draw in more people to play.
In casino play this has
never been the case. However I have experienced loaded dice while in
Although it certainly
wouldn�t surprise me to learn that casinos cheat at the dice table, I
personally haven�t felt that it happened while I was playing. I play in
Vegas, Tunica, and Biloxi.
No, I don't think that they
cheat. I am basing this on the fact that I play primarily in Vegas, and at
the main casinos on the strip (such as Bellagio, Wynn, Caesars), and
sometimes at the Palms and the Orleans. No need to cheat.
No.... Nothing has been
proven, except there is wild speculation, and unfounded or unreliable
accusations. Unless something changes in that regard, the whole issue is he
said, she said....It would be interesting is someone could prove such a
thing....maybe I could recover some of my losses. Not through demand, but by
playing into the bias. I would not need to set the dice.
I have never felt the dice
were unfair. Since the casinos have a license to print money because of the
laws of probability and, more importantly, the bad psychological responses
(i.e. foolishness) of ninety percent of the gambling public (steaming, no
money management, etc.); it would be crazy of any casino to jeopardize their
good fortune by cheating. They don�t need to cheat�everything is stacked in
No, I don't believe I have
ever experienced altered dice at any casino. No, I don't believe any casino
has cheated me at dice. However, I won't play craps at some casinos due to
1. Not allowing me to set the dice. 2. Odds being less than 10X, and 3. The
minimum bet is set too high.
I don�t think they
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Have not felt like the dice
were crooked in a large casino but have felt that the dice were not right in
some of the back room games that I have played in.
I have only played a dozen
times or so in the casinos, yet so far I have not experienced a situation
where I was under the impression that the dice were not just random dice.
No and no
The games are fair. Dice
have not been altered. The odds favor the casino...as is all gaming venues
at the casinos.
Yes, I think the dice are
no crooked dice in
casinos...they have pay off advantage and would be stupid to risk gaming
license.... however its probably happened somewhere sometime, most likely by
the "crew" and accomplices
I haven't suspected altered
dice yet, but will pay attention even more now. I catch non-payouts at the
Silver Legacy in Reno, at least twice on every trip. They even tried not to
pay me on a x25 Fire Bet win! Of course it's always a "mistake" when they
don't pay LOL. At the Riverside in Laughlin, the dealers hustle you for
tips all of the time. They have finally left me alone, though--for the most
part. The problem I have is that sometimes the players don't know they are
betting for the dealers, and they automatically put themselves back up after
I don't think that casinos
cheat as most of my play is downtown. How ever I don't think that they
change the dice often enough to keep sharp edges.
In 20 years of playing craps in Atlantic City I have never had an occasion
to suspect the dice had been tampered with or were in any way unfair.
I have not encountered any
suspicious situations during my frequent play at BOTGATA IN A. CITY, NJ; or
any other casino in AC, or VEGAS. I usually play at BORGATA 3 to 4 weekends
per month, and I usually go to LAS VEGAS once or twice per year for a week
at a time with comped rooms. I spend many hours at the craps tables, and I
am a very focused player, so I don't allow myself to get caught up in the
gaiety or excitement of the table, regardless of how hot a shooter might be.
I watch those pit people like a hawk, and I am always planning my next moves
regarding increasing my PLACE BETS, or TURNING MY BETS OFF, or TAKING DOWN,
I have played in Tunica at
Sam Town, Harrah, Fitz, Hollywood and The Road House On 12 different times.
I have played in Biloxi at The Grand, Palace, and T.B. three different
times. I have played in Shreveport, a. three different times at The H.S and
Boomtown. This has been in the last ten Mo,'s I feel they all have a fair
game of dice.
Some Casino's (bigger
ones, ones on strip) in Vegas have different dice numbering placement design
arrangements from other casinos...was told by gaming commission several
years ago that it is not a problem as there are two different marking
patterns available to the casino's...Did not seem to care that it might
affect dice setters approach however...the design changes are subtle and
most would not notice....Dice setters would have to modify their
arrangements however.., Gaming commission takes position they are fair dice,
As a random roller, I've
generally had fairly even luck. Sometimes I win, sometimes not.
My last two trips to Las
Vegas, however, have been horrible disasters. On both trips I was never
ahead and had no winning sessions on trip 1 and one winning session on trip
2. I ended up with HUGE losses for me, about $1000 on each trip (I'm a
Despite this, I really
don't feel that the casinos were doing anything "funny" with the dice. Nor
do I feel that I was cheated. The bulk of my play was at the Orleans on both
Sir: Have not come across
any suspicious dice.
Haven't been making point
numbers of late. But can't say it's me or the dice. Dealers getting more
picky about dice hitting the wall. When my dice hit and drop with little or
no roll I get called. You feel casinos are loading the dice?
I have not played at any
casino where I felt that the dice were altered or were biased. As to the
question if I think that casinos cheat at dice, no I don't think they cheat
at dice, but do wish they would let us play a fairer game, for example,
interruptions about hitting the back wall, the need to hit the back wall
harder etc. The implication that the casinos would use biased dice is kind
of ludicrous. If those individuals that are soliciting this "theory"
thought about it, this would be the greatest moneymaker for craps. If you
know the dice are biased in anyways, we could technically make a killing at
these casinos. For those individuals who make this claim, I wish they would
publish the casinos that are employing them, I'd get every dice player I
know to play there and make a killing by betting into the bias.
Personally I have never had the feeling of being
cheated by a casino at the dice table...they already have the odds in their
favor, and ninety percent of the players play like nimrods anyhow...why
would they risk it?
I live in Vegas and my wife
and I play at the Sun Coast I do not see anything with worn Dice. But
have noticed there and other Casino's with worn felt and under pads. As you
very well know the bounce on the table does mean a lot on how you thrown the
Dice. Went on a Craps trip within Southern Nevada and saw a lot of Casino's
with worn felt between the Wall and the Pass Line. Some of the Casino' have
moved there tables around in hopes of bringing younger players to the tables
to increase profit. We play off strip and on strip Casino's at least 4-5
times a week so let us know when one you will be in town and be more than
glad to set up to the table with you all.
I doubt that casinos in
Nevada, or anywhere else, need to cheat at a relatively random game like
craps. They have other ways to disturb you, like when the stickman rushes
you to throw or leans into the table so that he gets hit by the dice. I've
seem the pit critters use calipers to spin the dice to check the balance of
the dice to make sure they have not been weighted or get out of square. Add
that to the under padding for extra bounce on the table and higher than
average table height and you shouldn't need to worry about them altering the
dice to cheat you.
Living in Canada and
playing at Government owned Casino, leaves very little likely hood of
tampered dice. On the other hand where does one find an honest government?
I�ve played at two casinos
in the last month.
Both casinos showed no
different pattern of results from previous visits. At a table on Jan. 30 in
3.5 hours of play I came out ahead and experienced the normal cyclical flow
of dice rolls. Inside numbers were hitting and there wasn�t an excess of
sevens, hard ways or craps. Similarly on Feb. 5 in 2 hours of play there
were a couple of hot shooters and inside numbers were positive. Again I
walked out with a profit. I don�t think the casinos around here are into
manipulation practices � in fact I think they are hoping to attract more
players and wins always does that.
No problems sensed. Bulk of
play in AC, remainder large in Las Vegas. Have also played in Curacao and
Canada, as well as California. Amateur dealers precluded my staying longer,
so I never got a strong sense of what was going on in those low-level
Yes, I have played and no I
do not think they are altered.
How stupid must you be to
think a casino would compromise there integrity and risk there license to
beat people who pay 795. trying to influence the outcome
I have played at many
different casinos, both in Las Vegas and elsewhere. I cannot recall ever
having the feeling that the dice have been altered in any way. Unless you
consider being "cursed" as a real alteration. Just kidding but it sometimes
seems that way.
I have played in several
casinos. But never thought the dice were not ok.
No I haven't felt casinos
cheat at craps. Although, I have had a string of bad luck at craps at many
different casinos. I haven't changed the way I play the game or throw the
dice, but something is definitely different and I can't put my fingers on
what that is. Given my string of bad luck, I probably don't play craps as
much as I used to.
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My only related comment is
that the brushed look dice seem more slippery, harder to grip. I would also
say that using altered dice that impact the results would be risky for
casinos and therefore would likely not be considered.
I've never experienced
anything other than "fair dice" at craps.
I never experienced a game where I thought the
dice were altered. Sometimes the sizes of dice are larger than the 3/4�
size or seem a bit on the lightweight side. Some tables have extra bouncy
underlayment which, in combination with a felt that is on the loose side
(not tightly stretched), will tend to catch the dice corners and wickedly
bounce the die hither and yon if it snags the corner.
I do not have as much
experience as most and I have only played in Wisconsin and have not noticed
anything different from my own practice dice.
I do not believe I have
ever seen an altered die in a real casino. The odds are with them, and the
pyramids do their job.
No---I have never
I have not knowingly
experienced altered dice at the table. In fact I usually know the seven is
coming the second the dice leave my hand, usually the result of bad
technique on my part. I'm grateful when one of those throws turns out to be
a 2, 3, or 12. Funny how those throws never turn out to be a point number. I
have experienced heat, asking me to bounce the dice harder off the back
wall, to speed up my toss, or the boxman holding and inspecting the dice for
a while before returning the dice to me, but the dice themselves
appeared fine. Enjoy.
Other than a little slots
play, I only play craps. I have never thought the dice or the game was
In answer to your query,
not that I could tell. I don't believe that casinos cheat at dice, they
don't need to.
It�s very unlikely that casinos use
set dice to alter the end result of the shooter, Craps is hedged in there
favor without such measures.. Having said that, one still needs to be in
tune with dice control to beat the casinos in the long run.. Short term,
almost any Craps system can make you some money ( If your Luck holds ) But
to outlast the casinos and make a living playing Craps one needs to learn
Dice control, Money management, Know how to bet, Bank Roll, and Discipline.
I haven't played at any
casino where I felt the dice were altered. I don't think casinos would want
to risk being fined or lose credibility. But, then again, who knows. Also, I
don't play that often as locals do. So, local crap players would be at a
better position to give a more accurate response.
...have never seen or
suspected altered dice or an unfair game in any way.
I cannot say if it�s dice or specific tables but
where I play in Milwaukee (local Indian casino) I have wondered about both
possibilities. One of the 4 tables in Milwaukee has a reputation of a
looser. I have noticed more loosing streaks and have heard player�s
commenting this particular table always seems to be best played from the
There are weekend sessions
I have noticed more 6/1 seven-out�s that have made me speculate about bad
dice also. I try to keep my eyes and mind open, as I understand after all,
they are trying to take my money.
I play at all 3 of our
CASINOS and am friendly with all the dealers and feel that if any hanky
panky was happening one of them would let me know. They don't change the
layout very often either. We have a running joke that when I 7 out, I accuse
them of turning on the magnets.
I have only played once in a casino the
dice were fair. I am still practicing at home. A new casino is coming in
three months near me so I will be ready
I haven't actually noticed
anything different. I just have a couple spots I seem to do better than
others so I won't play unless I can get 1 of those 2 positions.
I do not believe casinos
alter the dice in any way. Why would they? They have the advantage with fair
dice, so why would they risk losing their license and reputation to try to
cheat? Why would anyone need to cheat in a game where they already have the
advantage? There are plenty of bettors that make those high % prop bets all
day long � would you risk losing the ability to own and run a game like
In my 30 years of craps, I
have seen many, many mistakes and errors by dealers and boxmen, but I have
never seen what I believe to be an attempt to intentionally cheat a player.
I have seen the opposite � where the boxmen and crew go out of their way to
determine if an error has been made against the player � and pay up if they
are wrong. Of course, players don�t always catch the errors, and they are
usually in the houses� favor � but not always.
Crooked dice may have been
in the game in the old days, but that was before corporations, lawyers,
accountants, mathematicians, shareholders, etc began running the casinos.
Now, I believe they all know what a racket they have by running a fair game.
I�d be interested in seeing
the results and comments from your survey.
I have not felt the dice
were not fair. Considering the odds, I don't think the larger casinos cheat.
No, I play at both West VA.
Casinos and Seneca Allegany Indian casino. I have bought some of there dice
for my collection and they are the same as the ones I have from Vegas or
Atlantic City. I have attended one of your classes and try to be aware of
every thing at the tables. I hope that there is nothing funny going on!!!
I have never thought that,
but if it is possible I would like to know about it because you could then
clean up by playing the don'ts let me know if you find out anything
specifically where I can find this I will go there ASAP.
Play a lot in AC. Taj and
Showboat mostly. No problems these craps game seem fair.
Played a little at the
Borgata, Caesars and Balleys; they also seem on the up and up.
I've found no problem in
the casino dice as of yet, Thank God. I have found a problem just in some
players...not realizing that their novice attitude towards their dice play
affects other player's money.
I haven't experienced what
I would classify unfair dice.
I have played craps in many
casinos in Vegas, Biloxi and I am a regular at the Tropicana in A.C. Any
one who thinks the casinos cheat are not really thinking straight. The
casinos make loads of money without cheating; it is not worth losing their
gaming license to cheat. I have seen pit bosses get a bit nasty when a hot
roll is in progress but never have I felt I was being cheated. Most of the
time even on a hot roll the pit bosses and floor people are very
professional and times down right friendly. I would like to say I ALWAYS
color up and leave the dice pit after a hot roll or when I have achieved my
win goal. I hope this is helpful for your stats.
Actually I have opened
tables and watched the dice out of the wrappers. I have never seen anyone
alter dice although I have watched the stickman set the dice for the most
possible sevens. After point established And a long roll. I know this is
hoping the shooter gets impatient.
No, I don't think the dice
were altered at any casino where I play. I was in Tunica last fall and
played at a casino where the table was very bouncy and there were a lot of
7's showing. Won't name the casino except it's 1 of 3 situated together.
Took advantage of the 7's by playing the Don'ts. Would like to see the
results of the survey.
I don't think the casinos are cheating. If they
had cheater dice on the table I would be able to see what was going on and
bet into it. I think most dice players are just stupid and don't know what's
happening at the table as they stand at the table and watch the action.
I was shooting at Mohegan
Sun last December; a shooter tossed eight eights in a row. After he seven
out I congratulated him for those magnificent eights. He looked at his two
friends and said did I toss that many eights, they both looked at each other
and I could tell they didn't know what had been tossed. Take it easy and
thanks for asking my opinion.
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I have never experienced
unfair dice. Bad throwing all the time and physics is always at play and
the release is everything, but no dice that consistently came up anything
more than random.
I will watch in the future.
I have played, but haven't
felt that the dice were crooked.
I have not seen or 'felt"
that casinos are cheating, with their cubes. Out side of different sizes or
colors or weight of cubes they use. Only thing remotely "cheating is usual
"heat" from dealers or pit.
I have never had a craps session at a casino
where I thought about the casino altering the dice or overtly cheating. I
do have my suspicions about some casinos "modifying" their tables, however.
It seems some table surfaces are a lot more 'lively' than others. Then
there are the harassing techniques some casinos employ to thwart my dice
setting; but that's another topic. Thanks for your newsletter...good luck.
I haven't felt that the
dice were altered, but I have run into situations where the dealers were
doing funny things. A couple of years ago at the Peppermill in Reno, I had
a nice groove going with lots of numbers, and just as I was tossing the
dice, the dealer at the far opposite end where the dice would go, thought it
was a good idea to "straighten" a stack of chips in front of him, long after
he had a reasonable chance to do so. Of course, I altered my throw at the
last second, resulting in a "seven out". The other player at the
table noticed the exact same thing and commented on it after I immediately
colored up. Another time, I swore that I had made my point, but the call
was seven out...what was suspicious was that the stickman was "flipping" the
dice before bringing them into the center, which I consider prima facie
evidence of cheating, since I understand the thrown dice faces must be shown
when brought back to the center for a new roll. Correct me on this if I am
wrong. Is there any recourse? I was the only one at the table at the
time. The previous incident, it was just one other guy. For this reason, I
only play at full or partial full tables at the Peppermill, or in the
evening, when they have a nicer crew. I've had no issues at other Reno
casinos, and Harrah�s has the friendliest and knowledgeable dealers.
I would say No.
My answer is NO. I would
love to find altered dice - think about this for a second ---- you could
very easily turn this to your advantage. As someone who has spent thousands
of hours practicing I know the "feel" of the dice. Now changing from the
slick acrylic to the frosted finish on dice did cause me problems at a
casino in LV once. And this was only because I had not spent any time
practicing with the dice with the frosted finish.
I've played in a lot of
casinos, but I have yet to find a "fair dice" problem. The concept would be
difficult to prove, and not necessarily in the casino's favor because I find
a lot of "high rollers" use a negative regression on the don't pass line, so
if this were true, they would probably come out ahead. In any case, with a
1/6 chance of a seven on any given role, the odds are already in the houses
favor, so why would anyone think of making the odds even better? It
wouldn't be necessary. For me, I find rhythm and atmosphere in a casino just
as important as setting the dice. When the boxer or dealer interrupts the
roller inadvertently or purposely, it is the shooter's job to ignore
whatever was said, regardless if it is meant to be helpful or not, and
concentrate on just shooting his or her style. Those types of roles tend
to be the best in my opinion. Thanks for asking!
I have not felt that the
dice at the Foxwoods Casino or the Mohegan sun have been altered in any way
to my knowledge. These are the only two casinos in my area, I am eager to
read you�re up coming article on this subject.
I have not had an experience with dice I
consider shady in a casino.
I do not believe that there are any casinos that
use loaded dice.
I was in Las Vegas in
November and I didn't feel as if the Casinos were altering the dice at all.
I went mainly to get a feel on if I thought I had a chance at winning and I
must say I do believe I can .I would say I broke even playing Craps the two
things I tested was my Money management and setting the Dice in which I
changed up a few times. The biggest or the best thing I did was going from
Monday to Thursday so I could start my day by hitting an empty table another
words play by myself in which I feel is the best time to play.
I don't believe the casinos
are ordering biased dice. I believe they are ordering cheaply made dice that
are biased and the pit critters don't know how or care to use the balancer
to weed out the biased dice. The casino has the advantage why would they
risk blatant cheating?
Thanks for putting up the
newsletter, most appreciated.. I don't think they have crooked dice.. nah..
The super trampoline like new tables is enough to make the dice as random as
you can get.. Was in Providenciales, Turks and Caicos this weekend and
played a bunch.. lost - had fun.. I'd like to know how other DI's handle -
"please sir, you must hit the back wall" My toss and pre-toss look NOTHING
LIKE all of the other players @ the table.. I stand out like a sore thumb..
How do other players camouflage (?) this..
I usually always play at
the same casino namely Hard Rock Casino in Biloxi, MS. I have never felt as
if the dice were loaded or cheated in any way. Before I pick up the dice on
my come out roll I always inspect them prior to picking my two. I hope that
this helps in your survey.
Play mostly at the
Riverside Casino Resort in Laughlin and find their dice to sometimes have
been in use so long that the corners are rounding. They spin balance OK and
overall I am pleased with the dice and with the personnel.
I cannot see anyway that a
casino could even use unfair dice if they needed to. I believe the dice are
No I have not. I don't
think the casino would take a chance of using illegal dice, too much to
lose. Besides the odds are with the house and the house always win in the
long run. I have played where the dealer didn't pay correctly unless called
to his attention. Was this deliberate? Well I can't say for sure but when
the payout to me was large it sure felt that way. I can't see an advantage
to the dealer in shorting me. But it sure shorts him in future tips from
to be honest, I haven�t
noticed any changes in the dice......but, ill be in Las Vegas the end of
February.........is there anything I should look for to reinforce this
No, I have not felt that
the dice were altered. I'm interested in the outcome of your survey!
I have been shooting dice
for more than 30 years and have never thought that
the dice were altered in any way.
Some days it seems like the
dice are crooked... but I don't think so. Too many other variables in favor
of the casino, plus they can deploy other shenanigans. I play mostly in
Biloxi, Tunica and the Bahamas (Nassau) and Atlantic City. I don't think
the casinos are using crooked dice, or "weekend" dice. When I am dogged by
the seven It boils down to a flaw in my toss or state of mind. "Seven
Happens". I have played in casinos where the stick-man (person) tried to
throw me off my game; short sticking and swatting the air with the stick as
I throw the dice. I even had a pit boss sit on the rail at end of the table,
one time, while I was throwing the dice. (This was on a trip to nowhere
The answer is no to
both questions. The casino does not have to cheat the odds
are already built
in to their favor.
No, I've never thought the game was rigged, seems like way too much to loose
as most casinos are megacorp owned as I see it. The game is already setup
for the house to win in long run. Not like it's Mom and Pop running the
game, if rigged someone has to know... people just aren't that loyal
anymore... just ask Tiger. As for that video of a DI doing his/her thing we
discussed a while back... I'm still looking. I'll be in Vegas next week,
maybe see the real thing. Might give Beau call. Will you be publishing the
results of your survey? What is your opinion, you probably get a lot more
table time than I and assume have a more critical eye as well.
No, I don't believe
cheating goes on in the casino dice games.
No, I don't think the
casinos have to cheat to make a profit.
Yes, Fair dice.
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Live in LV. I have seen the
stick tell shooters no setting of the dice. As for fair dice
I have no problem playing
in the casinos here in town
I do not think any dice
I have use was not fair. Casinos do not need to cheat as they hold the
I have not experienced any
game that I felt the dice had been altered by the casino. I notice,
however, that all crap tables are not the same... Particularly, some are
inclined a little too much .. And this make it impossible for the: sharp
shooters: to influence the outcomes....
I have played craps in a
casino and felt that the dice used in the game were not altered. I am still
very new to this game but did not have any feeling the casinos cheat at the
Sorry Ed, I mostly play in
A.C. and I can't say that I've seen or thought that the dice were rigged. I
did see one yahoo get busted trying to put anti-perspirant on his finger
tips from a stick in his pocket! Have a great day! Eric
I've been playing for many years and although
sometimes it seems like it, these billion dollar corporations have way too
much at stake. There is no way that they manipulate dice as a part of their
normal routine. I used to be in the business way back when and I had never
seen it. What do you think? You guys are the experts and have probably
played at hundreds of more places than I have.
I think most casinos don't
cheap simply because they don't have to because of all the suckers playing
all the high house edge prop bets. The only time I can remember being
suspicious of a casino would have been at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas. This
was a couple of years ago when the place was really hurting and about ready
to close their doors. I was shooting with my wife & I had a great roll for
about 20 minutes or so. My wife got the dice next and was having a very good
roll of her own when all of a sudden the pit boss changed the green dice to
red dice. My wife rolled 2 more times then sevened out. Does this mean they
were cheating, no but those dice sure seemed to roll a lot longer after the
change increasing more random dice throwing. As soon as she sevened out we
cashed out and left. Bad luck quite possible but it sure made me wonder if
it was a possibility. I was trying to set the dice while I was shooting (I
am not very good at it yet) but my wife was not. That is the only time I
have felt I might have been cheated & I have been playing dice for 30 years.
Aloha, I�ve been going to
Vegas to shoot craps for over 22 years. I believe that casinos wouldn�t
cheat in today�s gambling. The casinos stand to lose way too much by
cheating the gamblers by losing their gaming license. Maybe back in the mob
days, they might have tried it. Aloha
I believe the dice used in casino craps games are fair na un-altered.
I have never felt the dice
were loaded. Many times there are "Don't Betters" betting stacks of
greenies that would offset any small disadvantage the dice would make for
the Casino. In Blackjack, however I have seen hand dealt games that have
been shaded in the houses favor by dealer slight of hand.
I don not feel that they
"load" the dice. The table length, table covering, odds amount, table limits
can be used to the casinos advantage. I feel they have too much at stake to
out and out cheat.
No. That's an absurd
concept. The casinos can't risk their gaming license by taking the chance
that the gaming commission might make a surprise visit and check their
dice. Dull dice yes. Purposely altered, I don't
think so. If a certain number keeps showing up, hello, we are dice
influencers. Isn't it more likely that we keep doing the exact same thing?
But that's just my opinion, as it is the opinion of others that dice are
being altered. If someone suspects a specific casino is using this tactic,
they should take action and call the gaming commission. You can't let
suspicions take over your thoughts and smother rational thinking. Now if
you tell me the gaming commission is also in on it, then I'd say, "see what
I do not believe that
casinos use altered dice. If they were to be caught by their respective
gaming authorities it could go as far as losing their gaming license. It
just wouldn't be worth it. I do think many try their best by using closed
cell and microfiber to minimize the payouts. Also heat and tactics against a
hot shooter does happen and did happen to me. I no longer play there. The
incoming stickman stuck his arm out just in the middle of my toss from SR1,
my arm came into contact with him, and I rolled a box number despite this. I
complained and he stated that I was crossing into the prop box and that was
against house rules. I told him then he should have said so and that no one
had stated that previously. Of course, the box had gone to him before he
came to the table and directed the action to be taken.
I suppose you might
consider the heat as cheating. I believe all players should have a fair
chance to get some casino money. Cut the heat and the casino should take
their chance at getting my money.
The best thing any player
can do is NOT play if they think the casino is giving too much heat or
cheating some other way. Tell the rest of us and spread the word even among
the randies. Hurt their bottom line long enough and they will make changes.
No. Setting the dice for a
shooter, yes, cracking a new stick when the table is getting hot, doing
ANYTHING to disrupt a rhythm, yes, but not cheat dice. They really don't
There's nothing hot about this, only the rants from those unskilled who need
to rationalize their failures elsewhere than within themselves; there is no
need to spend energy on them as that is what they seek. I would rather the
casinos focus on these morons than on the skilled players.
Fair dice thanks!
There are three places I like to play in my area a couple of them the dice
really go every where after they touch down even on the second bounce they
use to not do that. IM not sure how you can tell if it�s the dice I just
assumed it was a change they have made with the table mat. The other place I
throw dice, I don't have that problem. Will be interested in knowing the
outcome of the survey.
I believe in the dice are altered in the big market cities but I have not
experienced in a lot of the smaller market casinos in the 12 different
casino's that I have played in, the dice have felt fine. I even went to 4
different casinos in 1 day when this topic 1st came up almost a year ago. I
personally have not experienced it. My question would be why cheat if you
already have an edge and subject yourself to an investigation?
I have played craps many times in 21+ years of visiting
casinos. I don't believe the dice themselves were altered. However, the
house does like to disturb a shooters rhythm. This would have an effect of
making shooters flustered and may cause a different approach to being the
shooter and cause the seven to come up more often once a point is
established. I don't believe the house would be able to get away with using
loaded dice or shaved dice. If many shooters seven out, I do believe they
would take their business elsewhere. Don't forget that a seven on a Come Out
roll is a winner for the Pass Line bettor. Thank you very much for asking
for my opinion.
may be a little late but here are my 2 cents. I have been playing with my
wife for 7 years at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. I went to Las Vegas once and
played at the Luxor, TI, Cesears and a few other I don't recall the names.
I play once or twice a week in Connecticut. I have thrown a 5 number fire
bet twice and my wife a 6 number once. 9/9/2009 both of us with max bet. I
have thrown a high of 65 times in a hand. I have also thrown a low of 2
times in a hand. More on the second one. When I seven out lately it is a
5,2. I set so that the 5 and 2 are on the sides. When my dice bounce and
cross each other like an "X" I usually get a 5,2. If they bounce towards
the front of the table into the hook I usually seven out. I don't know how
I can throw 7 points with 4 different numbers one week and the next week
seven right out, using the same set, from the same spot on the same table.
The 5,2 is usually the killer number for me and most everyone else on the
tables. I own my own CNC machine shop and am ISO-9001 with design. I make
and inspect parts for a living. I understand thousands of an inch and
ten-thousands of an inch.
read that the dice are ground to ten-thousandths of an inch. I don't think
that is really possible but I don't know if they will let me measure the
dice at the table with my micrometer. Should I ask them sometime? I will
do it if you think I will get away with inspecting their dice. I would
think that they should let me if I do it over the table and don't hold up
the game. They may not know they are out of tolerance and it may work in
their favor sometimes and it may be the reason for the killer roll from
the idiot just chucking them down the table. I do know one thing for sure,
I have good and great rolls when I have good fast dealers. Dumb ass
dealers are GREAT for the don't players.
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