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Please remember!  These are archives!  The Dice Setter message board was shut down. What is published here are just a few of the threads documenting the early days of dice setting strategies and opinions written by the pioneers of dice influencing.

Topic: From the newsgroups . . .

Post Date: 10/30/2001 6:33:53 PM (Pacific USA) P4K
Author: heavy

A fellow had an interesting observation over on the craps newsgroups. I cut and pasted the highlights, along with my response:

From: heavy_h@casino.com (heavy)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.craps
Subject: Re: Somethings wrong
References: <3bdeeb90_1@news.foxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <f44e0758.0110301731.6d9e9a72@posting.google.com>

"skip" <charlesg@foxinternet.net> wrote in message news:<3bdeeb90_1@news.foxinternet.com>...
> A question: On regulation dice what top corner does the two and
> three point to when the three is on top and the two is facing you?

Top corner of the two that is facing you points to the right. Top
corner of the up three points to the left.

> ...over the past year I have found many
> sets of dice that are reversed. This in of itself would put many of the
> standard dice setting principals off by 90 degrees of the intended position.

I have never seen this. It would not surprise me if this were a
recent development to thwart setters. This is why I often talk about
using an axial set - by that I mean you set your dice on a specific
axis. The one you talk about here - the hardway set with the two's
facing you and the threes up - is the 1-6/1-6 set. Those are the
numbers that are showing on the SIDES of the dice. If you can master
an axial set then it does not really matter what number is facing up.
By the way - the 1-6/1-6 can be set with the sevens showing on every
face - and it is the PARR all-sevens set taught in Jerry Patterson's
shooting school. And as long as I'm expounding ... a good way to play
this set on the come out roll is $20 on the line with all the hardways
working for $5 each. Yep, I know that'll draw fire ...

> Also have found that one or two of the five dice in the box are different in
> size. When miced, off by.052in. I have many examples off these dice in my
> collection as evidence.

I've never seen this in dice coming from the same block - but it would
not surprise me. Back 20 years or so ago the three-quarter inch die
was pretty much the standard. Now the standard seems to be about a
sixteenth of an inch larger - at thirteen-sixteenths. It would make
it more difficult for a dice setter to handle dice of different
dimensions. But what the heck - as long as were getting into that -
how about things like finish, color, and "compression" of dice from
different manufacturers. There is no doubt that the composition of
the plastic varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. My experience
has been that it's easier to "slide" glossy finish dice, while it's
easier to get a "dead cat bounce" on a matte finish die. As for color
- hell, it probably doesn't matter at all - but I sure prefer red.

Interesting thoughts on the alignment of the pips - though. I'd love
to have photos of that - could be of interest to publish somewhere...


Post Date: 10/30/2001 7:45:23 PM (Pacific USA) P4K
Author: irishsetter
Home Page: http://dicesetter.com

For some reason it didn't get posted on google. If you've never heard of left handed dice.... check it out. Yes, I too think this is a way to thwart us.

Post Date: 10/30/2001 8:23:48 PM (Pacific USA) P4K
Author: Mad Professor

The dice are called Type-A and Type-B sets by the manufacturers. The conventional pip layout being, Type-A.

Casino-grade Type-B dice have been "generally" available for the last four or five years. I've mentioned them before in several articles on this site.

Lady Luck Casino in LV has been using the "A" & "B" types, along with various colors and dices sizes in the same bowl for the last two years (also mentioned in my articles).

The "specific gravity" of both the plastic and the hardening catalyst determine the initial density, resilience, hardness and brittleness of the dice, as does the die-coloring formulas.

Varying "curing" times for the cellulose slabs before they are cut and machined into cubes accounts for further variations in density.

To answer the question about different sizes in the same dice "log" or foil block; I know that in Nevada (where the two major dice manufacturers are located), it is illegal for them to ship different-sized dice from the same serial-numbered slab of cellulose. Further, ALL dice bearing the same serial-number set must be within 3/1000 of an inch in tolerance to each other.

Good Luck & Good Skill at the Tables...and with all those different dice.


Post Date: 10/30/2001 9:29:35 PM (Pacific USA) Edit
Author: heavy
Slogan: Halt! Trained Attack Dog! Kill! (hadtoseeit

Well, even an old dog can learn somthing new from time to time.

Post Date: 10/30/2001 11:15:29 PM (Pacific USA) P4K
Author: Tinhorn Gambler
Slogan: Souvenir - Used Table Dice

Check the Gift shops at your local casino for used table dice that are being sold as souvenirs. They will be cancelled, but you can check and see if your casino is using both types. You may also want to purchase them as a practice set or as a souvenir.
In Las Vegas go to the Horseshoe Gift shop and get the Red or Green Horseshoe lettering dice for type "A" and the White Horseshoe lettering dice for the Type "B" dice.

Post Date: 11/4/2001 4:50:18 PM (Pacific USA) P4K
Author: RON
Home Page: http://communities.msn.com/RONSLASVEGASPICS

When I was in the Horseshoe a couple nights ago , they were using black dice with white pips ... I liked them . They were very easy to see .

Post Date: 11/8/2001 6:38:16 PM (Pacific USA) P4K
Author: SHOOTER57

i have a set of dies from Bills in tahoe that are as the article describes but I also have a pair from the Hyatt Regency that are the opposite.I read an article about left and right handed dice somewhere but I cant locate it again.Any body know? SHOOTER57

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