Questions about the Straight Sixes Dice Set
Subject: HEAVY’S SET DISTRIBUTIONS
following link on your website; presents the most logical, statistical and
compelling case I’ve read on dice setting since I began conducting some
internet research on the subject. http://www.dicesetter.com/heavy/heavy10setchart.htm
Having said that, I'm confused on the axis concept. You described it
well, but in the 'straight 6 set'; assuming one threw on 'perfect axis'
wouldn't either of the following sets appear; (6,6 - 2,2 - 1,1 - or 5,5)
instead of the statistical and desirable (7 -11) on the come out?
am I missing? I certainly agree this is the preferred set as opposed to
much touted 'all 7;s set'; but again, if the thrower were to deliver the
dice on the 'perfect axis' wouldn't that be the theoretical set to go
you for any clarification you can provide.
Thanks for the
feedback. Agreed, Heavy provides great information here. He takes an
overwhelming theory, and clearly simplifies it as six axial sets . Heavy
knows his craps.
See Heavy’s Articles.
I feel that you
may misunderstand the meaning of on axis. You said “perfect axis” which
refers to “Primary numbers” in your question. (6,6 – 1,1 – 5,5 – 2,2)
The problem, with
word problems, is the words.
With an on-axis
toss, the dice end on the same horizontal axis set, before being tossed.
(3 on the left 4 on the right and 3 on the left 4 on the right,)
After a primary
landing, you would be able to arrange the dice exactly as they were before
the toss, 34-34. However, if the dice did not land on a primary number,
but still, landed on the same axis, then rotating one or both dice a ¼ or
½ rotation would be possible to return to the preset Straight Sixes.
On axis does not
necessarily mean landing dice exactly the way the dice were set before the
toss. Using this set, other than rolling primary numbers, is how the 4
sevens and 2 elevens are possible outcomes, and they are on axis. Get your
dice out and demonstrate this for yourself.
you may have misunderstood on axis includes all 16 possible outcomes with
the Straight Six set on axis.
Sixes 16 Outcomes
(straight 6's) # of results
Heavy’s paragraphs two and four. The point of an on-axis toss is to narrow
the range of outcomes from 36 to 16.
“That's right. There are exactly six different axial sets. Again, the only
difference is which number the shooter chooses to have "up" or "facing
down table." For simplicity sake I have arranged the sets in the chart
below showing the axial faces of the individual sets.
the axial set refers to the numbers showing on the SIDES (left/right) of
each individual die prior to the toss. The objective is to toss the dice
"on axis" - as if there were a steel rod driven through the two dice like
an automobile axle.
tumble or roll forward without any excessive bouncing, pitch, yaw, etc.
Granted, the toss is a challenge, but you only have to control one roll
out of 43 to turn the odds in your favor.”
Editor’s Note: 1:43 means a gain of 2.325%
“There are four ways to make the seven and two ways to make the eleven.
Instead of 8 naturals out of 36 combinations on a random roll - you have 6
naturals out of 16 combinations.
The math of this should be obvious, even to those handicapped by advanced
Heavy gives us a visual of an axle going through the 34-34 set. Think of
the dice as wheels on a car. They can rotate on the axle. After an on-axis
landing, there are sixteen possible outcomes. (See the chart above.) When
you add up the number of results for each possibility, the total number
I do not feel that
Heavy is implying that tossing the Straight Six set, 34-34, will end up on
a primary number each roll, “perfect toss”. If that were the case, why
would a shooter use this set for a come out?
Charles, if the
dice land and stay exactly as set and on axis, your statement is correct.
Neat trick to do, as Heavy points out. However, the theory of on axis
shooting, with dice setting, has to do with reducing the possible outcomes
from random 36 to just the 16 possible from a specific set. This assumes
both dice stay on axis after the toss, no matter what set is used.
By grouping the 7
and 11 as possible results, we have four 7’s and two 11’’s giving us six
out of 16 possible results, as front-line winners, for the come out roll.
By grouping 6/6, 5/5, 12/12, 1/1, provides 4 out of 16 possible primary
Let’s simplify the
odds, for 7 with the 11 at 3:8, compared to 1:4, for the primary set. As a
percentage, 37.5% probability for 7 with 11, compared to 25% probability
for the primary set to occur. Again, it assumes both dice stay on axis.
Charles, I believe this confirms your question raised in your second
Be aware, when
using this set for a come-out roll, all of all the craps numbers result in
25% of the outcomes. This seems to cut into the purpose of coming out with
a front-line winner or setting a point, for that matter. Perhaps consider
making a craps check as well. Personally, I prefer a different set during a come out
cycle, for example.
Now, everyone has
their reasons for using the dice set they prefer. What is the expectation
for using the Straight Six set? This is asking, what is the shooter’s
intended purpose and desired outcome, for a come-out roll, using the
Straight Sixes set?
math helps a savvy player know which set to use for the desired outcome,
assuming an on-axis landing. The theory of dice setting has more to do
with “dice influence” than the illusion of dice control.
Thank you Charles, for this thought-provoking question.
Jones / Editor
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all your assumptions about understanding my questions are correct. Thank
you for the favor of your reply.
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