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 Dice Setter Precision Shooter's Newsletter

Volume I : Issue V

October 2001:

Happy Halloween! Ahhh, fall is in the air.  The leaves are changing, the air is cool and crisp. The nights are getting longer and craps seems to be on the mind of a lot of players.  If site traffic is any indication, there's a growing number of precision shooters out there.  With more than 25,000 visitors to the site in the past nine months, it's becoming more likely that you'll be standing at a table with other precision shooters in the near future. 

BUT, please use good judgment!   The buzz on the message board of late indicates that perhaps in addition to sharpening our dice influencing skills, we should be prepared to exercise discipline and discretion when demonstrating our shooting proficiency at the tables. It's imperative that you not be too greedy, thereby keeping us below the casinos' radar and guaranteeing the continued longevity of precision shooting.

Regardless, two precision shooters ARE always better than one!  If you're planning a trip to the casinos, post your general itinerary on the message board.  Maybe a fellow dice influencer will be available to join you.  As always, use caution about the details.  If you haven't read Aparadim's articles on ... CASINOs, CRAPS and DICE INFLUENCE , I recommend you do so before exchanging details with other players.  If you are gathering in a group of three or more, you may want to consider that not all of you shoot at any given table so as not to draw too much attention to your group.

And, as always, when visiting the site, make sure you check to see What's New on the site!

Get Off Your Axis!

A question which comes up from time to time on the message board revolves around troubleshooting a throw where one die keeps coming off it's axis.  A lot of great advice was offered by those who visit the message board on how to fix the problem throw.  But did you know that if you are not able to maintain both start of throw die axis' horizontally, you still have a significant advantage over the casino?  We all know that random rollers face a distribution of 36 dice combinations, six of which are sevens (a 16.67% chance of throwing the seven on any given roll). Precision shooters target an ideal distribution of 16 possibilities.

Of these 16, for the three come out sets, four possibilities are sevens,( 25% or 4 in 16 ) and for post come out sets, two possibilities are sevens ( 12.5% or 2 in 16 ). So what is the theoretical distribution percentages of sevens if one can't maintain the starting 2 axes horizontal at the end of his throws? On comeout, the 25% degrades to 24.07% or 13 in 54 which is better than the aforementioned 16.67%. For post comeout, the 12.5% degrades to12.96% or 14 in 108 which is better than the 16.67% or 1 in 6. These theoretical calculations of throwing a seven are based on 16 in 36 chances of maintaining 2 horizontal axes; 16 in 36 chances of maintaining 1 horizontal axis; 4 in 36 chances of not maintaining any horizontal axes coupled with the assumed die faces appearing uniformity along with the 36 dice outcomes distribution.

So, even if you haven't perfected your throw, if you can keep just one die on the correct axis, you still have a significant advantage over the casino!

From the Dark Side
by Vegas Dave

Many people enjoy the game of craps whether it's in a social setting in the back bedroom of someone's home or in one of the luxurious casinos that  have now spread across the nation.  

Very first and foremost is that when you are playing here, there or anywhere, you are there to WIN. You must remember that the money you must layout on the Dark Side is twice what the average right side player is wagering. This is YOUR money and you can wager with it any way you'd like. Believe me I have seen some incredibly stupid Pass Line bettor’s. Why do think they have all those prop bets in the middle of the table so attractively large? It’s because pass line betters are notoriously impatient and can’t wait for a big score so they throw their money on prop bets hoping for a big return. Inevitably this is their downfall and they leave cursing the Don’t better who is still at the table winning. Regardless of the dirty looks and the sometimes-muffled threats, you are there to play your style at the table and the heck with how anyone else plays.

Give Me Five!

Do you have a tendency to throw a lot of sevens before establishing a point?  Are you maximizing your profit when you come out?  Here's something to consider.

As I've stated before, I use the straight sixes set for coming out (axis' 3/4 3/4).  If you're familiar with the distribution for this set, you know that there are no theoretical fives or nines with this set.  So, if I'm in a groove and it's come out time, I like to lay the five or nine for $30. 

Here's an example of how I might use this bet. 

On my previous come out, I threw a seven before establishing a point.  After a few rolls I made my pass.  My throws have been consistent with little scatter. I'm focused.  I'm confident.  I'm in a groove.  So, for my second come out I lay the 5 for $30.   The reason I like this move is that there are only 10 outcomes that directly affect this wager one way or the other.

Roll Outcome Chance of Occurrence

(based on normal
36 roll distribution)

(6 possibilities)
($5 pass + $20 payoff on lay bet - $1 vig)
(20 possibilities)
$0 55.6%
(6 possibilities)
*n/a 16.7%
(4 possibilities)
-$31 11.1%

(*In the table above, I've ignored the payoff if the 2,12,3 or 11 is rolled as it is dependent on whether you have additional wagers on C & E/horn etc.)

As you can see, there is more than an 88% chance that either I make money on lay the five wager or at least that I do not lose the bet.  If my shooting is indeed up to snuff, I should certainly make a great deal more money over time on this bet than I'd lose.  Once I establish a point, I take the lay bet down and proceed as normal.

If you're throwing a lot of sevens on come out, what are your other options if you want to increase your profits on come out?  One, which is a pretty good one, would be to hop the sevens for a buck or two each, parlaying the first hit.   A couple of others are to increase your line bet which increases your risk later in your hand, or,  you could also throw a couple of bucks on the god awful any seven. (not recommended)

When this strategy works, I've often guaranteed myself a profitable hand before I've even established a point!  If you're not using the straight sixes set on come out, you may want to reconsider as this has been a very lucrative strategy for me.

Two Bits, Four Bits, Six Bits, a dollar........

Late news flash from Nextshooter.  The Edgewater in Laughlin now has a 50 Cent game with 100X odds. Proposition bets are at 25 Cents. This would be a great place to test any system or strategy based on manipulation of ODDS OFFERINGS. I am told that this table is extremely large and that the 50 Cent game runs of the weekends. This would be a good table for anybody to test a system with a minimal bank.

If you have any comments or ideas for future issues, feel free to email me at ed@dicesetter.com  And as always, I'm looking for contributors with a fresh perspective.

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Good Luck!

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